I know this is off subject but my point is, using something I do know as the example, that science from the 1980s is hard to find because it is old. And if everyone still accepted Mech’s earlier study it would be flawed as he admits he got it wrong.

Mre study is needed – those in favour of e collars could find a vet willing to take regular measurements of seratonin before, after, during their training etc. Or a study of close shots of the dogs looking for stress signals, such as tension around the mouth, panting, stiff body posture etc and using a variety of dogs, some when not using the collars as well as those that are of course. This is something that any training group could do with a competent photographer. If you published this, maybe people like me would respect your right to use this equipment. I know I would like to see this.

Oh and some-one mentioned her dogs wags the tail at sight of the e collar – tail wagging signals emotional arousal, which can be happy, excited, anticipatory, scared or angry. There are scientific studies on tail direction in wagging, using freeze frame pictures as it happens too quickly for the human eye to see all the details, and apparently it makes a difference which way the tail wags. Other dogs would see this and understand, we are only just learning how subtle a dog’s language is through technological advances. So put some up to date accurate studies out there to show you are right. I look forward to reconsidering my views.

(from what I’ve read) Is that what you’re using on your blog?

If access is prevented, so is conflict.

So – is the goal making money or preventing access to the data?